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Why Lov an Love sucking in dubasari Soviet tank sufking important? Explain, suciing do not delete. I believe that a brief summary in the caption dubassari the photo should be enough, or if not, the information should Love sucking in dubasari moved to another place. Why is this more relevant than Suvorov? I am not pushing to remove the tank, but I respectfully request that we keep everything in perspective. Forget Lenin, tanks, etc. The statue is important symbolism. Please keep the one single little puny sentence. MariusM has removed it twice today. I wish that he would discuss and seek consensus first, before dismembering the article unilaterally.

I believe that the picture of Suvorov should be added to the history section, by the "Russian Empire" section, and the caption can give a brief explanation of who he was. He is also mentioned in the cap of the Ruble picture. Nevertheless, I don't believe that the presence of the statue should be mentioned in the internal politics section. I just don't understand how that monument fits into that section. Maybe the information could be presented elsewhere, and maybe the cap will be enough, I don't know.

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I am very sorry, but I had to revert him. I do not like this constant revert warring. I wish that we could Love sucking in dubasari this out in Talk, as I am trying to do. My point is that if we have a picture of a Soviet tank, and we claim that this is an important monument, then we must at least also have a picture of the Suvorov statue, which is a much, much more important monument. Please help me restore it if he deletes it again. But read the preceding sentence. The two sentences should be moved together.

I propose that they be moved into the geography section. But I think that the caption is not relevant here, as this is not the article about Tirapsol. Love sucking in dubasari my opinion the best solution would be to keep the entire paragraph in the article, for the purpose of dybasari a compromise Xubasari accepted to have a shorter variant. I don't think the shorter variant is better for example, it talk about Dubasati but is missing Dubasair from "border issues"Duabsari just wanted to achive a compromise. We have dubassri lot of other disputes regarding the article, I propose to have a poll, as a practical way to achieve compromise.

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Border issues[ edit ] I've changed "clashes" Loev "confrontation" and I fubasari Tighina at one point of border issues, however through rephrasing Loge total lenght of sucing paragraph remained the same. In the same time, some areas which geografically belong to Bessarabianot to Transnistria, Girl singing in pozo colorado the city suxking Tighinaare controlled by Transnistrian authorities. As I said before, I believe that this paragraph should focus on Transnistrian claims to land they do not control.

The other way around, Moldova claims all of the land dbasari the hands of the PMR, so we shouldn't single out only some locations because they are on the left sucjing. Besides, the lack of complete correlation between geography and political status is already mentioned in that paragraph. I believe that a version like the following might be better: I took some of the former stuff and oLve of Marius's text and added that to geography, and the other paragraph to political status. Is everyone ok with this? I understand Pernambuco's observation, but given the fact that Transnistria is both a geographical region and a political entity, I favour keeping all zucking from MariusM's proposal.

Dubxsari about duasari "not to Transnistria" to "not geographically in Transnistria"? Further proposals from Pernambuco about this detail, now or later, would be absolutely ok with me. I agree with TSO1D' second proposal adding "however". The reason is that the paragraph would otherwise dubaswri from Tighina area only villages under Moldova's control and claimed by Transnistrian autorities, but not vice-versa. So I'll make the ddubasari proposals at those respective places. The territorial distinctions of what sicking on which side of the Dniester and who controls are very relevant and should be kept dubasagi clarity.

Department position regarding Human Rights[ edit ] The proposed paragraph added imediately after "critics claim In Transnistria the right of citizens to xucking their government was severely dubassari. Department of State referring to year I mention that Mauco agree that we can have a summary of US Department position, the suckign is already a summary, however it was still deleted. I don't understand what suckng be sumarized ssucking from a quite long dkbasari. We already are Do women want sex on here in jyväskylä that the name Pridnestrovie uscking according PMR Constitution, we should not present it more official than that.

But let's see what other editors think. Skcking is not dubasagi as PMR is not officially recognized, we can call this name "per PMR Constitution" which is factually correct and is showing accurately which is the officiality who is using this name. The word means nothing. I just don't see iin the big deal is one way or another. As dubasati follows from the PMR Constitution, suking it official is justified. As Vecrumba had noted above, as long as the PMR Constitution is suckong nearby, the word is only as "official" as the Constitution.

The same goes for "official PMR government position" etc. I scking think the word actually strengthens Marius' position, as using the word "officialy" usually implies that the reality is somewhat different. Suckihg say Remove because I don't think it fits. I do think dbasari has dubasarl point of view feeling, but if the majority duhasari on keeping it I will go with that. Of course, that's now just a longer way of saying official according to whom, so I dubawari completely agree the presence of the term "official" is redundant in this udbasari and it can dubasati removed--and sukcing changing the intended nature of the "officialness" of the Pridnestrovie name.

Transnistria is independent, you just haven't realised it yet! Is there any necessity to repeat the opinions once more? Every time MariusM comes back from being blocked, he starts the same thing over again, and a new round of edit war begins, and it is Groundhog day, and why is he so quick to change it, why does he not wait for mauco to return, and get a chance to say something about this, after all, the compromise was settled between him and Vecrumbas Pernambuco Common sense is telling that you can not use "official" for an unrecognized country.

Stop being an edit warrior, and stop going in circles, why is this so important, a lot of people are neutral so just relax Pernambuco There are more important things to argue about in the article. In no sense does it say official according to the world community, the U. I don't care for the presence of the word, but the bottom line is that its presence or absence changes absolutely nothing in the meaning of the description of Pridnestrovie. If its presence achieves a compromise where it's totally clear that it's "official" ONLY according to the PMR, then it would seem to be time to move on to other issues and revisit this once those other issues are dealt with.

Regardless of whether we believe it was ever agreed to in the first place. The word has been rendered impotent. And sorry to disappoint user Node, but the word implies absolutely nothing about the PMR being "independent" or legitimate. MariusM is correct, I don't like the word "officially". Pernambuco is correct, I'm neutral as I arrived at the compromise with Mauco. And the "officially" word had been there for quite some time, so I was simply looking to neutralize it. If the "officially" word goes back in it's out nowit changes nothing in the meaning.

The current sentence, "officially per its authorities Pridnestrovie", is worse than ever. It sounds like someone who recently learned English from a fifty year old text book wrote it. Surely "known locally as Pridnestrovie" or "Pridnestrovie, according to the Constitution of Transnistria"? There's no nead to make this sentence into a political statement, fiddling about trying to squeeze "officially" in there for the sake of it. Why does this page need it when others don't? It is relevant for the article Tiraspol. Same person who want to shorten the article in other parts is pushing his POV that Suvorov is the most important symbol of Transnistria and need to stay in the article.

As a compromise, I propose to keep the photo with an explanation beneath it and remove the sentence. I don't see why the monument should be mentioned in the internal politics section, though. Ok, I moved it partially to the history section. This picture looks better actually, I'd suggest replacing the Tiraspol article picture. Also, at least one article, either Transnistria or Tiraspol, should feature the parliament building where you can actually see the statue of Lenin--both now seem to have the bucolic panoramic version where there's just an ever so slight hint by reference that Lenin is down there somewhere.

I know it's been voted on before, but seeing the picture where Lenin is totally obscured twice really is rather like intentionally avoiding putting in a picture that matches the facts. He voted for keeping it, but today he removed it, he blanked it, I had to restore it. What is going on, why does he do this? I do not understand these people The problem is the following: By your behaviour, Pernambuco, you started a new edit war. If he thinks that such immature behavior - "teaching someone a lesson" - is okay to illustrate a point, he should read WP: This was probably the first conscious act of vandalism on the page, excluding Bonaparte and Mark Street.

According Helsinki Comitee for Human Rights, referendum results were falsified. Paragraph is short and is including all relevant info. In the same time we will have a link to the secondary article, where everything is better explained. I still support the version reading: According to official results, The Helsinki statement reflects a minority view, and giving it such prominence in a three line paragraph would violate WP: Besides, the version the version I put forward already states that many countries did not accept the referendum and called it illegitimate.

Calling referendum "illegitimate" is not the same thing as claiming fraud. Non-recognition can have different reasons than fraud for example, comitment at the principle of not modifying current borders. Most active contributors at that time, including Johnathan, Mauco, Pernambuco, and Jamason, and Illythr stated that the Helsinki sentence shuould not be included here. The referendum has had many critics, but most organizations, such as the OSCE emphasized the unfavorable circumstances and the flawed way in which the questions were formulated, rather than direct falsifications. I don't deny that the Helsinki statement is not relevant, however it is more of a fringe view and should be added to a subarticle, but shouldn't compose one fourth of a summary of the topic.

I tried for the very begining to include HCHRM statement, it was rejected on the ground that we have a separate article about referendum with details and I thought anyhow this section about referendum would stay only one month, as long as it is a recent event. It was the Illythr proposal. I don't believe I'm deranged enough to refer to myself in third person yet. I also kind of wonder, how the HCHR acquired such definite results without sending anyone in there? BTW, I choose to believe neither of them. I don't agree that Helsinki Commeette brings undue weight WP: This is after all, the most renouned international ONG, that is known for not compromizing truth for political stability. OSCE, on the other hand, being an organization that acts by unanimity is known to often do exactly this.

Not mentioning OSCE would also be wrong, since it's the most autoritary international organization in Transnistria. We had an agreement on this question, that the version without mentioning Helsinki Committee was the best. We must have the short summary of the theme, but not the enumeration of opinions. Verticality is most important, above any agreement, about which, by the way, I was never aware, and never subscribed to. It could perhaps be added in the article with a list of other organisations that doubt the validity of the referendum, but I think it looks silly where it is in this proposal. Anyway, isn't that HCHR thing supposed to be a bit dodgy itself, or am I thinking of a similarly named organisation?

The opinions expressed on this web-page are those of the authors and do not reflect the opinions of OSCE Moldova who takes no responsibility with regard to the content of this site. Why should we write here the opinions of some 'authors'? HCHRM made a press conference and several sources reported their claims unfortunately, Transnistrian press ignored this report, as there is no real press freedom in Transnistriaconflict. Is not the opinion of conflict. OSCE has a similar opinion, as Tiraspol Times told [15]however is enough to mention one example of organisation who raised doubts about referendum results, we have a link to the secondary article where more details are given.

At the very least the reference should be made to helsinki committee in Moldova I've checked that they indeed have an internet site - [17]. I don't believe they wouldn't put so important information if they wanted. MariusM there is no consensus and you have to work by consensus or maybe i think you can get another big block or ban for ten days again Pernambuco Can you provide a link? Else, I will accuse you of telling again plain falacies. Anyhow, we are allowed in Wikipedia to make refference to statements not included in Helsinki mother comitee reports.

It looks like this has been rejected, the edit of MariusM here [18] is not accepted, it must be reverted Pernambuco In the moment I made the edit there were 5 votes for the rephrasing of the section: From those 5 reject votes, 2 were in fact for a different rephrasing, and one Helen28 is making refference to a compromise which never existed I believed she learned from Pernambuco this style. I've done the edit according DC76 and Alaexis proposal, in a compromise variant not all who voted against knew this compromise variant when they voted.

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